The Seedlings To Stars 2012 Top 100 Prospects, #6: Jacob Turner

by Lists/Rankings

Name: Jacob Turner
DOB: 5/21/91
Organization: Tigers
Position: Pitcher
Notable 2011 Stats: 3.48 ERA, 3.65 FIP, 9 HRA, 32 BB, 90 K, and 46% GB% in 113 2/3 IP with Erie (AA);
3.12 ERA, 2.16 FIP, 1 HRA, 3 BB, 20 K, and 46% GB% in 17 1/3 IP with Toledo (AAA);
3.44 ERA, 3.45 FIP, 10 HRA, 35 BB, 110 K, and 46% GB% in 131 IP total in minors;
8.53 ERA, 6.03 FIP, 3 HRA, 4 BB, 8 K, and 41.3% GB% in 12 2/3 IP with Tigers

Why He’s This High: Jacob Turner was the youngest pitcher to appear in the major leagues this year, which speaks volumes about how advanced he is for his age. One could argue he was rushed to the big leagues by a Tigers organization that tends to move prospects rapidly, but it’s not like they yanked him up in the middle of a bad season–he showed excellent command of his four-pitch arsenal at both the Double-A and Triple-A levels.

On a stuff level, Turner is quite similar to the #7 prospect (and second-youngest MLB pitcher in 2011), Julio Teheran. He throws a 90-94 mph fastball with excellent sink, his power curveball flashes plus, and he’s got a split/change that also works well when it’s on. He also has a cutter that can give lefthanders a different look. He lacks the one obviously plus pitch that Teheran has, but all of his pitches have the potential to be plus, and he doesn’t have Teheran’s mechanical issues or flyball tendencies. With those advantages, he edges out Teheran as the best right-handed pitching prospect in baseball on this list.

Why He’s This Low: Turner certainly doesn’t seem that “overwhelming” of a pitcher, being a guy that tops out around 94-95 mph, doesn’t have a consistently plus pitch at the moment, and struck out a Teheran-esque 7.56 K/9 in the upper minors. Part of the reason he doesn’t seem that dominant is simply because he was so young for even Double-A in 2011; that said, the only time he’s struck out over a batter per inning is his 17-inning Triple-A stint. It’s tough to tell exactly how much of his “sub-excellence” should be attributed to his youth and how much should be attributed to a lack of plus stuff.

Like Teheran, Turner was hit around in the majors because he got himself in bad counts by throwing too many chase pitches with his curve and splitter. We should expect him to adjust that strategy once he realizes it’s not working, and he has more than enough control to get his walk rate back down.

Conclusions: Turner should be a big, durable front-of-the-rotation presence, and he has three pitches with plus potential. He doesn’t turn 21 until May, and he should be a major league fixture right around his birthday. It looks highly likely that he’ll be able to maintain a very low walk rate and solid groundball/homer rates in the majors, especially as he matures. If he tightens up his pitches and sequencing, he should get enough whiffs to be an ace, and barring a tremendous setback, his worst-case scenario is probably something like Luke Hochevar with better command.

Check out all of the Seedlings To Stars 2012 Top 100 Prospects here!

For more on the Tigers, check out Motor City Bengals!

Follow S2S on Twitter @Seedlings2Stars and yours truly @stoltz_baseball. Also, like our Facebook page!

Topics: Detroit Tigers, Jacob Turner

Comments
  • JAYRC_MCB

    Nice report, I linked it over at MCB.

    I think Turner should develop into a pretty solid #2 or #3 starter. I think his ceiling would be easier to reach if he spent even a half-season more in AAA-Toledo. Doubt the Tigers let that happen though. I just hate their aggressive promotional process. It certainly didn’t help guys like Miller, Oliver, Perry and Porcello in my opinion.

    By definition, Turner’s four-seam fastball is a Plus offering because of it’s velocity; with Plus-Plus potential. You’re correct though, his curve and two-seam fastball offerings only flash plus-potential. He made great strides with his change-up and scouts now see it as one of the better change-ups in the Tigers system, with plus-plus potential. I was unaware that he threw a cutter. Think you mixed it up with his two-seamer.

    You have done an amazing job with this list Nathaniel. The Tigers Top 50 was enough for me. Couldn’t even imagine having to tackle a top 100 for the whole league!

    Keep up the good work guys. Best of luck!

    • http://seedlingstostars.com/ thebaseballfish

      @JAYRC_MCB Thanks for the comment James! You’re absolutely correct. It’s a heck of an undertaking to do a MLB Top-100 and we’re lucky we have Nathaniel around to do it.

      I couldn’t agree with your more about Detroit’s pattern of over-aggressively pushing their pitchers. I wish they’d pull back on the throttle just a bit and I do have concerns that Turner is going to suffer as a result.

      FWIW – It looks like Turner threw a cutter according to the PitchFX data from his time in the majors. If I get a chance I will go back and watch his starts from 2011 thanks to the wonders of MLB.TV, but I imagine by the time I do that Nathaniel will have already chimed in on this item.

    • NathanielStoltz

      @JAYRC_MCB Indeed, I got the cutter from his Pitch F/X tables. The system often misclassifies certain pitches as cutters, but this didn’t bear any marks of a misclassification, so it looks legitimate to me. His changeup is kind of strange as well, as it has a ton of drop and comes in just 5 mph slower than his fastball, so I see is as a sort of hybrid splitter. His fastball also seems to have impressive natural sink, especially for someone with his arm slot.

      I agree that it’s foolish to rush guys. Look at what the Rays have done with the opposite approach–letting their prospects ripen until they’re fully ready. I do think there’s something to be said for moving college players quickly to keep them at the average age for their levels, but certainly, there’s no reason to rush a guy like Turner. That said, that’s part of what makes him so intriguing–he showed sharp command and good stuff despite the aggressive timetable; certainly, he’s had a better minor league career than guys like Miller and Porcello.

      Thanks for the comment, the compliment, and the link! In your writeup, by the way, I think you overstate my perception of Turner’s downside–Hochevar’s been a decent pitcher the last two years, so “Hochevar with better control” looks something like a good fourth/okay third starter.

      • JAYRC_MCB

        @NathanielStoltz Yeah I’m pretty sure it’s his 2-seam FB. I’ve never seen a counting report with him throwing a cutter. I could be wrong though. It has happened once or twice before. :)
        Top 100 was/is incredible though. Great job man! Y’all are doing big things here. Keep it up.

        • JAYRC_MCB

          @NathanielStoltz *scouting report
          See I messed up there too

      • JAYRC_MCB

        @NathanielStoltz Not big on Hochevar at all. Royals fans seem to love him and thats great. Being 28 w/ a career ERA over 5 wouldn’t please any Tiger fans though. Posting an ERA barely below 5 the last two seasons didn’t do much to change my mind either.

        It’s whatever though.

        • http://seedlingstostars.com/ thebaseballfish

          @JAYRC_MCB@NathanielStoltz Being a Royals fan who also happens to live in KC I can assure you that the faction of Royals faithful who happen to love (or even kinda like) Luke Hochevar is VERY small.

          Hoch has better stuff than the results would suggest and we keep hoping the light will come on, but any affinity for him is simply due to a lack of other legitimate options.

  • Pingback: S2S Tabs Tigers Turner 6th Best Prospect - Motor City Bengals - A Detroit Tigers Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More

  • mickey_baseball

    Having only watched Turner in his handful of innings at the big-league level, I don’t have a lot to add. The first thing I noticed about Turner was the 0% fear factor on the mound. He doesn’t get rattled which is a plus for a young kid.

    Yeah he does throw a cutter and it’s a decent pitch for him.

    I would say Turner’s success rests on his curve. He’s snapped off a few beauties but for the most part it looks like it needs a lot of work still. Without that pitch he might be a back of the rotation kinda guy. If he could figure it out though, he could be really sick.

    For the record I wouldn’t trade him for a Garza with limited amount of control.

    Good work guys – keep it up

    • NathanielStoltz

      @mickey_baseball I think his command and stuff are good enough that he’s probably a #4 at worst, barring some sort of catastrophe.

      I think the issue with his curve in the majors is that he just wasn’t used to facing MLB hitters, so he threw too many of them in the dirt, expecting them to offer at the pitch like Double-A hitters undoubtedly often did. Same with the changeup. He just needs to take some lumps and refine that, and I think he should be fine.

      Thanks for the comment! Keep up the good work yourself!

  • Pingback: Tigers Place Two in Scout.com's Top 100 - Motor City Bengals - A Detroit Tigers Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and More

  • Pingback: Seedlings 2 Stars Top 100 Prospects of 2012 « Yankees Fans Unite