The Seedlings To Stars 2012 Top 100 Prospects, #92: Trevor Rosenthal

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Name: Trevor Rosenthal
DOB: 5/29/90
Organization: Cardinals
Position: Pitcher
Notable 2011 Stats: 4.11 ERA, 3.04 FIP, 7 HRA, 39 BB, 133 K, 52% GB% in 120 1/3 IP with Quad Cities (A)

Why He’s This High: Rosenthal had a big year in the Midwest League to establish himself as one of the Cardinals’ top pitching prospects. A local kid from Lee’s Summit, Missouri, Rosenthal was a 21st-round pick in the 2009 draft who was mostly a reliever in short-season ball his first two seasons. In 2011, he immediately announced his presence by striking out 11 batters in four innings in his first start. His season took off from there, as he put up dominant numbers.

Given his low draft status, one might be tempted to think that Rosenthal is just a finesse guy preying on low-minors bats, but that’s not the case. He’s grown into solid velocity as a professional, and he backs up his fastball–which has reportedly touched 97 mph at times, but I wouldn’t rush to any conclusions on his velocity based on that–with a plus hard curve/slider. He throws both pitches from an easy, repeatable delivery, and he’s big enough that he should be a durable starter. He has the offspeed stuff, between the breaking ball and a solid changeup, to neutralize lefthanders, and actually had a better K/BB ratio against them (69/16) than righties (64/23).

Rosenthal demonstrated the ability to keep the ball on the ground when hitters did make contact with his good stuff, limiting homers and racking up an impressive groundball percentage. That’s a persistent trait in his statistics–he allowed just one homer in 2009 and 2010 combined, and had even higher groundball rates in those seasons. Even if his strikeout rate has some erosion against more advanced bats, Rosenthal should be able to limit the damage.

Why He’s This Low: One can’t help but be a little skeptical about a low-round pick who suddenly breaks out in the low minors, and Rosenthal’s going to have to show he can do it again to become a true upper-echelon pitching prospect.

He wore down over the course of the season, as his strikeout rate dropped from 11.05 K/9 before the All-Star Break to 8.95 K/9 after. That shouldn’t be cause for alarm–after all, he’d never pitched in a full-season league, or even started for a full short-season year. Rosenthal had thrown just 56 innings combined between 2009 and 2010, so it would be unreasonable to expect him to suddenly step in and handle 120 innings with no issues.

Rosenthal turned 21 two months into the season, so he wasn’t all that young for his level. Yes, the average age of Midwest League players was 21.7, so he was half a year younger than the average player, but this is a Top 100 Prospects list, so we’re comparing him to other top prospects, not all minor leaguers. While he was young for the level, he was fairly old for a top prospect at that level. Accordingly, he’ll need to continue to dominate hitters in order to maintain a #2 starter projection. Since his dominance consists of just 120 innings (and mainly just the first four months of 2011, since he tailed off toward the end), Rosenthal needs to continue his excellence to really cement his status.

Conclusions: Rosenthal came out of basically nowhere (the Cardinals were a weak system entering the season, and he wasn’t in Baseball America‘s Top 30 St. Louis prospects) to establish himself as a force. With an excellent mix of pitches and no red flags in the mechanical or statistical departments, he’s a very intriguing young pitcher.

That said, his rise is so out-of-nowhere, and his period of dominance so small, that we still need the metaphorical smoke to clear before we can really get a better read on his MLB future. He’ll need to sustain his stuff and production over a full season at a higher level before I could be truly comfortable calling him a truly elite pitching prospect. But he certainly has a lot going for him, and he could be a good #2 or #3 starter for the Cardinals, a team that has suddenly and dramatically turned its farm system around this season. Due to his age, he’ll need to move fairly quickly; if he were to just move one level at a time, Rosenthal would be nearly 25 by the time he’d make the majors. But if he maintains his stuff, command, and groundball ability, he’ll skyrocket up lists next year, if he hasn’t already.

Previous installments in the Seedlings To Stars 2012 Top 100 Prospects:

Introduction
#100 Tyler Pastornicky
#99 Henry Rodriguez
#98 Francisco Lindor
#97 Yonder Alonso
#96 Taylor Green
#95 Barret Loux
#94 Christian Yelich
#93 Ronald Torreyes

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Topics: Quad Cities River Bandits, St. Louis Cardinals, Trevor Rosenthal

Comments
  • GetRealMan

    You should just stop with the list if you have Alonso behind this guy who didn’t even make his league Top-20 list over at Baseball America.

    • GetRealMan

      And Yelich?

      • NathanielStoltz

        @GetRealMan Yes, because we all have to conform to what Baseball America says. I took a risk–everyone takes a couple with these lists

        • GetRealMan

          @NathanielStoltz Quite the risk taking a guy not even in his teams Top-30 the previous year and then not in his leagues Top-20 in whats supposed to be his breakout year. 100 would been one thing but to rank him in front of guys who are sure big league guys and more established talent is questionable at best.

        • http://seedlingstostars.com/ thebaseballfish

          @GetRealMan@NathanielStoltz @GRM – There aren’t a lot of guys with limited rookie ball experience that make their teams Top-30s, especially if they weren’t a high draft pick or received a large bonus as an international NDFA. It seems to me that you’re too hung up on where guys were ranked last year while this is a list based on where they are heading into next season (I sometimes fall into that trap myself FWIW). To that point – Rosenthal WILL be squarely in BA’s STL Top-20 when the 2012 Prospect Handbook is released.

          He didn’t make BA’s MWL post-season top-20 but that’s just their assessment and everyone uses different criteria when evaluating the past, present and future of players and prospects. I personally like him quite a bit more than several of the guys they had on their MWL list.

          There are a number of spots where I disagree with Nathaniel on his Top-100 but regardless of who does or does not make it and regardless of who is ranked where – the relevant part of the content is what he has to say about each player.

          Even the guys at BA will tell you that there often isn’t a significant difference between a guy ranked 75th, 100th or 150th on their own lists and they have a LOT of internal disagreements about where guys should fall on their list as well.

          Here on S2S Alonso is 97th, Yelich is 94th and Rosenthal is 92nd. That’s hardly a travesty or an affront to prospect lists and justifiable.

          Nathaniel and I have had some long debates/discussions regarding his placement or omission of some players in his rankings, but his slotting of these 3 players doesn’t bother me int he least.

          All that aside, we appreciate that you have taken the time to read and comment on our content.

        • NathanielStoltz

          @GetRealMan I will also add a quote from a Baseball America chat this year, since it puts the mainstream report on him in better context:”

          A 21st-round pick out of Cowley County (Kan.) CC in 2009, Rosenthal spent his first two seasons in Rookie ball. He showed a 92-94 mph fastball while flashing a solid slider last summer. This year, his stuff has found an extra gear, to the point where Quad Cities manager Johnny Rodriguez says Rosenthal is better than top Cardinals prospect Shelby Miller was at the start of the Midwest League season last year. Miller relied almost exclusively on his fastball at that point and didn’t become a well-rounded pitcher until the second half.

          While striking out 18 over 11 innings in his first two starts, Rosenthal has sat at 93-95 mph and touched 97 with his fastball. His heater has heavy life and he has commanded it to both sides of the plate. He has shown improved tilt and late bite on his slider, which resides in the low 80s. The Cardinals are having him emphasize his changeup, and while it’s still a work in progress, it has good action. Rodriguez also gives Rosenthal high marks for his control and mound presence.

          If Rosenthal can maintain his current fastball, slider and command while improving his changeup, he could become a No. 2 starter. I wouldn’t put him in the class of Miller or Carlos Martinez yet, but Rosenthal definitely is rocketing up the ranks of St. Louis pitching prospects.”

          Sound like a possible top 100 guy to you?

        • GetRealMan

          But he still couldn’t even crack his leagues Top-20?

        • NathanielStoltz

          @GetRealMan I guess not–you’d have to take that up with BA, not me.

          Really, though, I’d advise you to look more at the content of prospect writeups than the numerical rankings. If Baseball America and I agree that Rosenthal is a possible #2 who still has some things to prove (which we do), where we each assign him on a numerical list is irrelevant–the analysis is correct in either case.

          If you think that Yonder Alonso and Christian Yelich have better big league futures than Trevor Rosenthal, that’s totally fine, and there are plenty of people who will back you in that opinion. But if none of my logic about any of those three players in the actual writeup seems way off base–and I don’t think it is, although there are certainly points others could contend–then there’s no point in arguing about the numerical rankings, because those come down to a personal comfort level with the player’s flaws and bullishness on their strengths. In other words, that’s highly, highly subjective. And really, that’s part of what makes the rankings fun–each list has its own quirks.

          I can’t make you enjoy my work, of course, and if my riskier selections are deal-breakers for your enjoyment, I can’t really help that. Just trying to explain the perspective on it.

        • GetRealMan

          @thebaseballfish Its not like the Cardinals had a deep system last year and he still couldn’t a Top-30 spot? After posting here I went to a Cardinals site on the scout.com network and found they didn’t even view him in Top-40 guy having him behind a few guys they released or DFAed and didn’t claimed. Fan sites will always over value their own guys and they didn’t despite his big numbers,

          Alonso has been a Top-100 guys for a while and raked in the show just can’t see how that gets behind a project with one plus pitch and then you have Yelich who is a full year and a half younger at the same level but put up one of the better overall years in the South Atlantic League and was by far the best of anyone not Bryce Harper in his age group.

          Yelich seems like a major slight to me he has nice pedigree, numbers, age and tools.

        • GetRealMan

          @NathanielStoltz If they honestly felt he was a #2 don’t you think he would made their list for the MWL?. Tons of guys get the old if he could do X he would be a font of the rotation guy write up.

          I understand you don’t want to clone BA but this seems like a major reach, and just because I say that doesn’t mean enjoy the work you put into it. I guess it just leaves a bad taste to see stud guys get push back on taking a shot on a guys without blow away production or a pedigree to justify it.

        • http://seedlingstostars.com/ thebaseballfish

          @GetRealMan You are right that the Cardinals had – and still have – a fairly weak system. However the fact that Rosenthal didn’t crack the STL Top-30 prior to last season is immaterial compared to where he gets ranked heading into the 2012 season.

          I can all but guarantee you that BA will have Rosenthal in the STL Top-20 in their next list. That’s what a breakthrough year does for a prospect. Though calling 2011 a breakthrough for Rosenthal is a bit unfair because he was excellent in the Appy League in 2010. The only reason IMO that BA didn’t have him in their Top-30 in 2011 was the lack of experience (56.0 IP in his 1st 2 pro seasons).

          In short, the jury was still out on him prior to 2011. Now we have another 120.1 innings to assess and he did it in A ball as opposed to Rookie Ball.

          He did not crack the MWL Top-20 that BA put out, though he would have easily been in my Top-20 list for that league. However you do have to factor in that the MWL is a 16-team league and is typically one of the more “loaded” when it comes to prospects.

        • NathanielStoltz

          @GetRealMan Fair enough. I will say that I certainly don’t have any “agenda” with it though; I honestly believe Rosenthal is better than Yelich or Alonso. In general, I think you’ll find that these sort of picks are more of an exception than a rule on my list–there are just a couple of big reaches or omissions. I’m not a Cardinals fan or anything, so this is entirely just that I believe in the guy and have more doubts about those below him. And if that’s how I feel, I can’t help but rank them that way.

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